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        • NAHL-1430
          NAHL-1430 last edited by

          Hi all,

          When it comes to local SEO in 2015, I appreciate that having a physical location in the town/city you wish to rank is a major factor. However, if you're a national brand is it still possible to rank for local searches when you're based in one location?

          The reason I ask is that, although our service is national, the nature of what we offer means that it is not inconceivable that people would search for a local variation of our top keywords. Other than the standard things - location in the content, the H1/H2s, title tag, meta description, url etc. - is there anything national businesses can do to help?

          Thanks in advance.

          John

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          • MiriamEllis
            MiriamEllis Subject Expert last edited by

            Hi Caleb!

            That's a good question. It's very important for me to state here that Moz Local is not a ranking tool. We do not guarantee rankings in any way. Likely, you already know this, but just wanted to be sure this was clear. Whether using a tool or working manually, citations are built for 2 main reasons:

            1. To build up the 'trust' it is perceived that Google places in widely available, correct business NAP+W.

            2. To help customers locate your business on a variety of platforms.

            #1 is believed to help you with your Google local pack rankings and #2 is believed to directly market to customers on platforms they frequently use (like Yelp or Facebook). Citations are not widely recognized as a means for improving organic or national rankings.

            So, in your case, as you don't really see customers between normal business hours, citation building may not be the most important investment for your business. On the other hand, if you have a B2B relationship and your business associates are coming to your office between normal business hours, citation building could help them find you in the local packs of results. Additionally, citations are normally listed in the organic results below the main result for a branded search, so, it could be postulated that this could help B2B customers feel more secure about how established your business is. But, it would not like help you rank better for your software keywords.

            *However, there is one grey area related to this that deserves mention. The majority of citations include a link to the business website. So, in a sense, citation building is a form of link building. It would be possible, then, to parlay that out into thinking that earning citations means you've earned some new links for the business, right? And links do influence organic rank, right? But, it's my gut feeling that, because the links contain in citations are not merit-based (in other words, you're not actually earning them based on something great you've done) they probably do not have a ton of value in the current, more sophisticated Google environment. Could they help at all? My guess is that they might be of minimal help, but that you would likely benefit more organically from other efforts.

            Hope this helps!

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            • calebkeiter
              calebkeiter last edited by

              Great discussion, folks. I'd like to add a question, if I may. First, some background.

              I'm the Marketing Manager for a software company who has a physical location, and occasionally clients come to visit, but no one just drops in. I'm interested in national rankings, not local. I cannot think of many (if any) examples where someone would search for our products and services in our city (i.e. guided selling tool in Richmond, VA).

              Here's the question. Would submitting my company to a service like Moz Local help our national rankings? In other words, is there enough of a ranking boost from having our NAP and business categories correct across the web to warrant the fee and work, or does it not make a difference if I'm not interested in ranking for location-specific searches?

              Thanks, all!

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              • NAHL-1430
                NAHL-1430 last edited by

                Thanks everyone - some very useful feedback here and certainly food for thought.

                We've got some locality-centric data we can draw on so we should be able to get some unique content for each area together. There are also some links pointing to the home page from businesses located in certain cities/towns - could changing these links to the relevant local landing pages negatively effect our national rankings?

                John

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                • MiriamEllis
                  MiriamEllis Subject Expert last edited by

                  Hey John,

                  You're receiving good input from the community. I'll just summarize a couple of points here:

                  • Without physical locations, no, you cannot rank in the local packs of results.

                  • This leaves you with trying to rank organically via a combination of website content and optimization (see the landing pages article Patrick linked to) and trying to shore that up with things like link earning, social media, video marketing, etc. The main pitfall to be aware of in this practice is that many companies end up building a large number of thin, duplicate content pages for their service cities. This should be avoided. The main goal of this practice is to gain some organic visibility for local searches in the absence of being able to gain local pack rankings.

                  Hope this helps!

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                  • PatrickDelehanty
                    PatrickDelehanty last edited by

                    Hi there

                    I would check out Moz's post Local Landing Pages: A Guide To Great Implementation In Every Situation, particularly in the section National company desiring a local presence.

                    I would also take a look at Google's Service area maps resource.

                    Hope this all helps! Good luck!

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                    • Nobody1596916721222
                      Nobody1596916721222 @Nobody1596916721222 last edited by

                      Adding to this I found this https://a-moz.groupbuyseo.org/local-search-ranking-factors The comments by Nick Neels speaks directly to your question methinks.

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                      • Nobody1596916721222
                        Nobody1596916721222 last edited by

                        I am sure you will receive more informed answers however I am facing a similar situation. I do know that local SEO greatly affects national rankings and recommend you optimize all local listings using a service like MOZ local (there are others too.) I track our rankings nationally and in a variety of markets where we compete or wish to compete.

                        I also recommend doing keyword research to determine your product is being searched locally (where to buy "your product" in washington dc) It may not be a large volume of searches but they could be very targeted meaning high value prospects. And the branding you get from it won't hurt either. And chances are those phrases will have a low difficulty as well.

                        I hope that helps and also gets more responses for you.

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