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        • RuchirP
          RuchirP last edited by

          Hi guys,

          This question was loosely answered here (http://www.seomoz.org/q/will-google-index-a-site-with-white-text-will-it-give-it-bad-ratings), but I wanted to elaborate on the concern.

          The issue I have is this,

          http://www.searchenginexperts.com.au/preview/white-text-white-background-issue

          Of the four div elements on the page, which;

          • is best practice for SEO? and

          • which of them would not be penalized by google on the grounds of hidden text?

          The reason I ask is that I have a site that is currently implementing the first div styling, but if you either remove the image OR uncheck the repeat-x (in inspect element) the text is left as white on white.

          I have added the transparent image on green to prove that having a background colour to back up the tiled image is not always going to work. What can be done in this scenario?

          Thanks in advance,

          Dan (From my managers account)

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          • donford
            donford @RuchirP last edited by

            Yes Dan something like that could get reported. You should do your best not to have this happen, mostly on a large scale, a single incident would likely be ignored.

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            • RuchirP
              RuchirP last edited by

              Thx Gents,

              To clarify, the content in question was footer links on my clients site.

              It sounds like the consensus is that the approaches I have in the example should be fine as my intention is not to deceive and only visitors (most likely competition) would flag this manually if it was.

              What remains unanswered is that the last two examples on my test page will still create issues.

              The third example inadvertently has a transparent section of the background image where text exists. You can see this if you click/drag over the middle section. I would imagine this would get flagged by visitors as hidden text (as it currently shows white text on white), but aside from offering a complimentary background colour to either the div element or the entire site (say a pastel colour) is there a better way to manage this than the fourth example (where I have simply offer a fallback green colour. This looks pretty bad)?

              Thanks again...

              Dan

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              • Marcus_Miller
                Marcus_Miller last edited by

                Hey Dan

                Ultimately, I don't think this would be a problem on an otherwise non spammy site. There is generally a big difference between a site that is using a set of spammy or manipulative techniques and one that makes a simple mistake like this so I doubt you have much to worry about if everything else is as it should be.

                That said, I guess the simple question here is:

                If you are using a background image and white text, why not use a background colour as well?

                This would address the obvious usability issues relating to the image not displaying and clarify that there is no bad intention here to trick anything. Better for users, better for search engines, better for your SEO penalty related anxiety issues. 😉

                Hope that helps.

                Marcus

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                • donford
                  donford last edited by

                  Dan the rule of thumb is if the text is readable and not purposelessly hidden then you're safe. The operative word there is purposelessly.

                  I will also add that in general crawlers are not going to find these types of problems rather they are reported by users or more often than not your competition. From there search engines may have a human evaluate the report and make a manual ruling.

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                  • SoftzSolutions
                    SoftzSolutions last edited by

                    Ok the thing is, if text is humanly readable, you are safe. Just because you are using white texts and then something goes wrong with the style and the texts go invisible for a few days will not necessarily get your website banned. However, here I am assuming that you are not stuffing keywords there 🙂

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